701 Brake Options

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So I was checking Brake Options for the 701.
There has been discussion about the different Pads and it seems like there are 3 after market options in circulation with forum members here:

Brembo
Braking
AP Racing

Now I am wondering if anyone has looked into the brake discs.

The stock one is a Galfer and seems to look pretty decent from design.
That being said I doubt that a big gain is to be found by changing the rotor, unless for instance a "real racing one" like the motor master Halo-T or the Braketech Iron ones.

Has anyone weighed the stock one, or opted to use anything else?
 
Don't spend money on rotors, they're all made from the same material basically, unless you want to go cast iron (in which case Braketech is your friend yes).

And despite what Husky says in the powerparts catalog, the Galfer wave rotor does not offer 25% extra braking performance. Impossible.

Somehow people find them sexy...
 
Seriously though I used some on my triumph and it did give a better initial bite but no overall performance gain.
 
I would expect similar stopping power, and more cooling.
Personally, I rarely "use" the brakes... so an upgrade would be targeted at weight reduction.
 
I known galfer since I got my Vitpilen, so just one year, before that everyone recommended braking wave discs for a sporty ride..
What would You recommend for better braking performance, maybe thicker discs then stock?
I heared from racers to swap brake pistons for steel one, to improve pressure points too,🤷
 
Moto Master offers regular 5mm rotors and 5.5mm Racing rotors with Full-Floating T Floaters.

Racing ones are made for racing and cost twice as much, obviously.
 
Some rotors may be better resistant to prolonged hard braking/heat (T-drive for instance, or thicker rotors), they don’t offer harder braking.

Our stock rotors are also made by Galfer and I bet they’re made from the exact same 416 stainless.

If you want better brakes you should invest in pads, a cast iron rotor, a different caliper and/or master cylinder.

But serious, with different pads only the brakes on our bikes are more than sufficient for street use imho.

And to be honest, without upgrading the front suspension you’ll be bottoming out before you reach max potential of the brakes anyway.
 
Well put Max.

What I am interested in though is more in the direction "bike performance"

I would expect that on a cold brake from 60-0, with the same pads, round brakes with holes stop the hardest vs. pedalled simply due to the friction area.
Then the question is how much impact to the physics is there to justify Pedalled (wave) rotors.
Rotational mass for handeling?
Surface area for cooling after repeated braking?
 
To compare a setup where only disc is changed, the rear brake on the 401 stock was much better at braking then the Flame one, in the way I used it... it weighed less and looked cool though...
 
BISavage said:
Then the question is how much impact to the physics is there to justify Pedalled (wave) rotors.
Rotational mass for handeling?
Surface area for cooling after repeated braking?
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Zero, near zero. And I checked again today, the stock setup with only different pads is really more than sufficient.
 
I find the stock brakes very good for the bike's power/weight. For street use they are more than sufficient. As max cool says your biggest gains would be in pads and/or master cylinder.

Wave rotors save a bit of weight but offer no performance advantage and they actually play against you in track riding because they have less mass and therefore absorb and dissipate less heat. For brake rotors you actually want mass, unless you run and exotic rotor material.
 
Real racing brakes look like this:
Screenshot_20220218-211835_Samsung Internet.jpg

Why would a racing bike team care about saving a few hundred grams with fance flames or waves in the brake disc when they run Marchesini wheels that weigh less than air.
The racing discs come in different diameters and thicknesses and are selected based on the track to be run.

In reality though, when was the last time we saw The Doctor riding a Husqvarna round the track?
 
A few hundred grams is actually a lot for rotating mass but you can only go so light on brake rotors. If you want lighter you have to go to carbon ceramic and those are only legal in MotoGP as far as I know.

Also, you can install the best brake rotor, caliper, MC combo and you'll still be limited by tire grip. The standard brakes can apply enough force to lock the front wheel as they come from the factory. What upgrading brake components will give you is the ability to brake hard over and over again without performance dropping off and provide better feel.

That being said, I think you can install the lightest rotors possible on the 701 and performance won't suffer unless you track it and are an expert level rider.
 
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