Crashbars Vs Axp skidplate

gixxxer

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I don't know about you, but I'm always struggling with the indecision between the crash bars and the Apx racing skidplate. When I decided to take the norden, the main reason was to be able to have a lighter and more compact bike than the V2 ktm's that I have had in the last six years, and this in a way contrasts with the crashbars, and certainly the lightness is a point in favor of asp.

But, in reality, how do the two systems work? The crashbars are a rigid system that uses three fixing points on each side, one on the engine and two, I understand, on the frame. The bars on the V2 ktm had two points on the frame and one on the engine for each side, and were then connected to the base of the radiator. Certainly some points of the engine and frame are designed to be able to withstand these stresses, with greater thicknesses of material or localized heat treatments. In the case of the norden, of the two points on the frame, the first is the fixing of the tank - which, let's remember, is crash proof and would not need any particular protection if not for the aesthetics - the second instead is in the front part, a steel bar in turn fixed to the frame. The third point, on the other hand, seems to me to be a frame flange on the right and the crankcase on the left. A rigid system, in fact, which unloads the forces on pre-established points and "supports" the bike better than the aluminum casing which dissipates the force on the tank through a honeycomb placed between the casing and the tank.

Apx: a sort of 8 mm thick HDPE tank, fixed in 4 points: the two front ones are the same as the crashbar, but in this case the polymer works directly on the steel pin used for fixing. In the rear part, however, we find two aluminum brackets that are fixed, here too, in the same points as the crashbars: in one point on a metal flange of the frame and on another point that seems to me to be of the engine, and on the left, as for the bars, on the lower part of the base. In this case the operation would seem similar to that of the original crankcase / honeycomb, however the tank transmits the effort directly to the tank, albeit through a fairly large surface (if it rests on a more or less regular surface). A sort of elastic system, which however makes the tank work.

Honestly, it seems to me that, all in all, the bars have a more consistent functioning: they transfer the effort to three points and completely bypass the surface of the tank, while the response of the axp tank seems to me to depend more on the surface where it falls.
Finally, strengths and weaknesses (in my opinion, of course):

Crashbar:

ADVANTAGES: price, resistance, greater protection for the upper part of the hull, less stress on the handlebar due to the fall.

DEFECTS: heavy weight, aesthetically invasive, problems in case of "joint" with protrusions.

Apx skidplate

ADVANTAGES: low weight, not excessively invasive from an aesthetic point of view, probably less "resistance" to any protruding obstacles.

DEFECTS: apparent poor resistance of the rear supports and of molded corners, plastic material that works in direct contact with the steel for front fixing points, direct contact with the tank in case of a fall, high price, unknown (for me) payment system.

In short, I would tend for the bars, but I am still hesitant ...
 
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HI matte, I know givi crashbar is cheaper than other brands, but I' used them on my old KTM 1050 ADV and was not satisfied: they 'll protect the bike, yes, but each* falls needs to desmount and straighten them. The original from KTM I bought after never need this. In case of crashbar I'm lookin at Hepco&Becker.

*I'm 169 cm tall, and my weight is 61 kg (after lockdown, before I weitgh 56 kg), Ktm 1050/1090/1290 I had for six years and 100.000 km was great bikes, but too big and heavy for me at low speed, all my falls have occurred from a standstill. Norden is better under each point of view, but the seat is really high. Waitin' for the lowering seat I removed the forks and the situation has improved a bit, but I would not like to add the weight of the bars.
 

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At the end I'll test the Givi Crash Bar, but I'm not happy: i feel the weight and for me it's more difficult to put the feet on the ground due to the boots (sometimes) bit on the crashbar.

In the technical accessories Husqvarna now show this in picture, I feel it interesting. Someone has news about availability?
 

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Aren't the bars and plate for different purposes?
Generally skid plates are to protect the bottom of the bike from scraping over rocks and logs, etc. I run a plastic skid plate on my KTM 350 EXCF in the desert; it protects the bottom frame tubes from getting smashed. Some skid plates wrap around and protect the sides of the engine from rocks too.
Crash bars tend to be for falling over, to protect the side and fairing of the bike. I don't run these on my dirt bike, I just live with the scratches. (I do run separate radiator guards).
I would assume you could get both bars and plate that fit, if you want them?
I would look at how you ride and what parts of the bike you want to try to protect.

Also, are they making heavy plastic skid plates for the Norden? Might be lighter than metal ones.
 
Ah, you already meant the plastic AXP one:
 
I used bar on my previous Triumph Tiger 800 and KTM 1xx0 series, and they all do the job saving the bike.

Now I had installed a couple of Givi, but I don't like them: aestetically, first, and also because they interfere with my foot when I have to take it off the platform and place it on the ground: I'm just 169 cm tall, and it's difficult for me to manage - in same situations - the weight and the lenght of the bars. I'm also shure that the bike is protected, of course, but I also feel the extra weight.

The skidplate for the Norden is different from the classic one which covers the engine base and / or the frame tubes in the lower part, but also covers the sides of the tank which are the ones that collide in the event of a fall, so I think it can replace excellently the bars.

In my opinion - and for the purely road use that I do - the best solution would have been simply a replica of the original HDPE tank covers: light inexpensive, easy to replace if necessary and not an extra complication, at least for the Oil change.

However, having purchased together with the bike the heated grips and connectivity units, and that they will not arrive very soon, I asked the dealer to turn the order onto the aluminum skidplate, for the same amount. It should be available from the end of April.

Buying the one from axp (slightly lighter) would have forced me to pay an additional cost, waiting to receive (in October, perhaps) the other accessories.

When the skidplate arrives I will be selling the oxford heated grips (they works perfectly on 1xx0 KTM ADV) and the bars, and will buy a pair of daytona with thumb control.
 
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