Bike won't start... Sidestand Down?

Vintage Veloce said:
Your bike is a 2020 401 right?
I also have one of these and I looked at it a bit.

This is the magnet for the side stand switch. The side stand is "down". It looks like a brass bolt with a dark circle on the head:
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And I think this black dot in the center of the brass bolt is the magnet (side stand is "down"):
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With the side stand the up position you can see the brass bolt/magnet here:
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In the above picture, notice how the head of the brass bolt/magnet is against a gray color piece. The magnetic switch must be there. I will call it the "gray switch pad".

In this picture the side stand is in the "down" position, and the pencil points to the "gray switch pad" part of the magnetic switch:
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So, I suggest the following diagnostic steps.
  • Make sure the brass bolt/magnet has not fallen out of your side stand. Also verify the black circle of the magnet is present in the head of the bolt.
  • Verify the magnet is still magnetic: see if a screwdriver tip or other piece of steel will stick to it.
  • Make sure the "gray switch pad" is clean and free of debris.
  • If you have a "magnet on a stick" tool, put the side stand down and put the magnet against the "grey switch pad". See if that removes the side stand warning on the display. (I successfully did this test on my bike).
  • Check the cable running to the switch is not damaged.
Tip: If you have a large mirror, you can put it on the ground to see all this stuff. Also, you can point a flashlight into the mirror to help illuminate the area.
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Is the magnet supposed to be inside the inner cylinder of the brass hardware?
 
Just had the "No start" problem on my 2024 Svartpilen after riding about 45 minutes in 82 degree weather. Still taking it easy in the break-in period at approx 600 miles. I stopped for a short break and when trying to start it all I got was the "click" sound from under the seat and a slight dimming of the instrument panel. After calling AAA to start a tow claim I tried to start it again and it turned over fine (probably a 10-15 minute break.) It goes in for it's first service today but wanted to know if anyone else has had this issue lately and how it was resolved. Battery likely, weak, struggling when hot? Relay, starter, something clicks from weakened battery?

On a related note, despite being on a downhill asphalt road I was unable to bump start the bike without dragging the rear tire. Tried numerous gear positions but couldn't get the engine to turn over without skidding the tire. Any good techniques out there or is compression too high for this to work?

KH
 
KH111 said:
Just had the "No start" problem on my 2024 Svartpilen after riding about 45 minutes in 82 degree weather. Still taking it easy in the break-in period at approx 600 miles. I stopped for a short break and when trying to start it all I got was the "click" sound from under the seat and a slight dimming of the instrument panel. After calling AAA to start a tow claim I tried to start it again and it turned over fine (probably a 10-15 minute break.) It goes in for it's first service today but wanted to know if anyone else has had this issue lately and how it was resolved. Battery likely, weak, struggling when hot? Relay, starter, something clicks from weakened battery?

On a related note, despite being on a downhill asphalt road I was unable to bump start the bike without dragging the rear tire. Tried numerous gear positions but couldn't get the engine to turn over without skidding the tire. Any good techniques out there or is compression too high for this to work?

KH
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Bump. Nothing?

On an unrelated note I see a dealership in Georgia selling new 2024 401 Svartpilens for $3972 (US dollars). Oversupply, low demand? Quite a discount to what I paid 3 months ago here in upstate SC.

KH
 
KH111 said:
Bump. Nothing?
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Well it sounded like you were taking it to a dealer so not sure anyone needed to speculate.

If troubleshooting it yourself then start by checking all the major battery cables to the starter relay and to chassis ground. The ones at the battery have been known to be loose on the 2024's. On the 2023's and before they had lose cables at the starter relay under the seat. The battery could be suspect but not sure why it started after a 15 minute rest as I doubt it overheated..

Let us know what the dealer finds
 
Zep said:
Well it sounded like you were taking it to a dealer so not sure anyone needed to speculate.

If troubleshooting it yourself then start by checking all the major battery cables to the starter relay and to chassis ground. The ones at the battery have been known to be loose on the 2024's. On the 2023's and before they had lose cables at the starter relay under the seat. The battery could be suspect but not sure why it started after a 15 minute rest as I doubt it overheated..

Let us know what the dealer finds
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Yeah, ok. Didn't mean to sound pushy, just wanted to be armed with some knowledge when discussing with the dealer/mechanic. They said they found a slightly loose connection in one of the cables in the wiring (not sure which one, will find out when I pick it up tomorrow). The 15 minute rest period has me stumped as well so will keep my fingers crossed that the issue is resolved.

Still don't know why I couldn't bump start the bike. 2nd gear, 10-15 mph downhill, dump the clutch and all it does it drag the rear wheel on pavement.

It's just about impossible for me to find neutral even trying to find it while coasting to a stop. Dealer says it is normal and should loosen up and be easier within 1500 miles of riding. Does that sound right? And there is just enough clutch drag when stopped in 1st gear that I can't roll the bike backwards with my feet, I have to shut the bike off with the kill switch and dismount to push or pull the bike where I need it. And yeah, I'm short (5'8") and old so not a lot of force in my tip toes. They said that a small amount of clutch drag is normal as well. That sound right?

I appreciate any insight.

KH
 
Bump starting motorcycles is not easy especially large displacement single cylinders. I have not tried it on the 401's so not sure how easy it would be. You could try it now that it is running just to see. If it works now not sure what it means as it would almost sound like the the bike overheated before and the piston had a lot of friction.

Finding neutral can be a problem on the pre 2024's so it might be the same on the 2024 models. Mine got better when I adjusted the shifter lever up higher as it was so low from the factory that the back part of it would touch the frame when selecting 1st gear.

My bike rolls as easily when in gear with the clutch pulled in as it does in neutral.
 
Zep said:
Bump starting motorcycles is not easy especially large displacement single cylinders. I have not tried it on the 401's so not sure how easy it would be. You could try it now that it is running just to see. If it works now not sure what it means as it would almost sound like the the bike overheated before and the piston had a lot of friction.

Finding neutral can be a problem on the pre 2024's so it might be the same on the 2024 models. Mine got better when I adjusted the shifter lever up higher as it was so low from the factory that the back part of it would touch the frame when selecting 1st gear.

My bike rolls as easily when in gear with the clutch pulled in as it does in neutral.
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Tech said they tightened the starter solenoid connection. An old stored check engine code was for a front ABS issue seemingly unrelated to the no start problem I had.
Tried to bump start it again on a downhill near my house with no luck, just skids the rear tire, so I better hope the electrical no start issue is resolved.

They still insist the dragging clutch will loosen up over time and said all the adjustments are within specs. I still can't move it backwards (well barely) in 1st gear and clutch pulled in. Bike lurches forward slightly when starting the engine in gear, especially when cold. I start it in 1st gear a lot because neutral is a PITA to find.

Have to live with it for now. Dealer said to bring it back in at 1500 miles if symptoms aren't better.

KH
 
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